Posts by Sea Breeze

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Did the WT Policy on Lying Bother You When You Were a JW?

by Sea Breeze in

here's the wt standard for lying: "while malicious lying is definitely condemned in the bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it" - insight pp.

244-245. vs. websters dictionary:.

lie, noun.

Sea Breeze

Here's the WT standard for lying:

"While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it" - Insight pp. 244-245

vs. Websters Dictionary:

LIE, noun

1. A criminal falsehood; a falsehood uttered for the purpose of deception; an intentional violation of truth.

Watchtower seems to say that it is OK to lie as long as it is not "malicious". Of course, the liar gets to decide if he is malicious or not.

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

Sea Breeze

He was disfellowshipped in absentia by Watchtower HQ for telling the TRUTH under oath in court

Wow! The truth really did set him free.

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Christians and War and the Role of Conscience (a work in progress)

by Terry in

christians and war and the role of conscience ______________ christian integrity vs duty to superior authority from the federal government’s povthe u.s. government saw jw’s as one group within a larger group of men refusing military service within existing law - for reasons of deeply held convictions.

we jw brothers weren’t the only ones affected, as evidenced by this list.. quakers.

jehovah’s witnesses.

Sea Breeze

No doubt there is a lot of deviance. But, there is a framework, we have courts to work out grievances and a Congress to enact laws. Not perfect by any means. But, better that anarchy or might might makes right scenarios.

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

Sea Breeze

a divorced middle-aged sister was seen cycling with a single middle-aged doctor

Probably DF'd for pedaling

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Christians and War and the Role of Conscience (a work in progress)

by Terry in

christians and war and the role of conscience ______________ christian integrity vs duty to superior authority from the federal government’s povthe u.s. government saw jw’s as one group within a larger group of men refusing military service within existing law - for reasons of deeply held convictions.

we jw brothers weren’t the only ones affected, as evidenced by this list.. quakers.

jehovah’s witnesses.

Sea Breeze

Let no-one misunderstand that the sole purpose of the army is the protection of the state ... not its citizens.

Can't really agree with that. Soldiers in the U.S. military swear an oath to support and defend the Constitution (which includes amendments and the Bill of Rights) against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

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Thoughts on Jesus' Resurrection

by Perry in

i think that in our various discussions about life after the wt, we many times forget about the cornerstone of christian life - the resurrection.

the implications of the existence a man who holds the power of life and death is manifold.

it makes discussions about the existence of god obsolete.. for all of scientists' accomplishments they have never been able to make even one amobea come alive from non-life.

Sea Breeze

I have a question: Since JW's teach that there was no fleshly resurrection of Jesus, do they fit this biblical description of a deceiver and anti-Christ?

For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. (2 John‬ 1‬:7‬ NKJV‬‬)

Note: The antichrist is NOT one person, but is a composite group, a small band of foot step followers of those who reject and oppose Jesus Christ' bodily resurrection.

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Christians and War and the Role of Conscience (a work in progress)

by Terry in

christians and war and the role of conscience ______________ christian integrity vs duty to superior authority from the federal government’s povthe u.s. government saw jw’s as one group within a larger group of men refusing military service within existing law - for reasons of deeply held convictions.

we jw brothers weren’t the only ones affected, as evidenced by this list.. quakers.

jehovah’s witnesses.

Sea Breeze

He was fighting against those his government had declared were the enemy.

Wrong. The Nazi regime declared war on the families of the United States.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. - Romans 13

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Christians and War and the Role of Conscience (a work in progress)

by Terry in

christians and war and the role of conscience ______________ christian integrity vs duty to superior authority from the federal government’s povthe u.s. government saw jw’s as one group within a larger group of men refusing military service within existing law - for reasons of deeply held convictions.

we jw brothers weren’t the only ones affected, as evidenced by this list.. quakers.

jehovah’s witnesses.

Sea Breeze

I think any man who "categorically" refuses to protect his family (and his neighbors) from harm is a coward.

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Christians and War and the Role of Conscience (a work in progress)

by Terry in

christians and war and the role of conscience ______________ christian integrity vs duty to superior authority from the federal government’s povthe u.s. government saw jw’s as one group within a larger group of men refusing military service within existing law - for reasons of deeply held convictions.

we jw brothers weren’t the only ones affected, as evidenced by this list.. quakers.

jehovah’s witnesses.

Sea Breeze

Fortunately, not everyone is a coward. I would not be looking forward to this soldier hunting me down.

The life story of Joe Beyrle represents an unbelievable achievement. One of the 101st Airborne's paratroopers from the "Band of Brothers" unit jumped into Normandy before getting taken prisoner by Germans during Operation Market Garden. The Germans subjected him to Gestapo torture after recapturing him twice until he successfully escaped two times as their prisoner.

images source: Wikipedia

During his transport to another prison camp Beyrle discovered the Soviet army was breaking through German defensive positions in the area. Taking advantage of this breakthrough opportunity he escaped for the second time before bringing himself to the Soviet soldiers. He successfully persuaded Battalion Commander Aleksandra Samusenko that she should allow him to join her forces which became the only female tank command in the war.

Through his service as a demolitions expert the Red Army entrusted Beyrle with a leading role while capturing Berlin and its surrounding areas.

I guess he didn't like being captured and tortured. So, he blew up Berlin. He looks pretty pissed off in that prisoner picture taken by the Nazis.

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What is the Craziest Thing You Are Aware Of Someone Being Disfellowshipped For?

by Sea Breeze in

i knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking.

she finally went back to the kh and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement.

no one even remembered her.

Sea Breeze

I knew a lady who was disfellowshipped for 20 years for smoking. She finally went back to the KH and since they couldn't find her paperwork, (all the former elders were dead) she was allowed back in without reinstatement. No one even remembered her. She had quit smoking years previously and could have gone back any time. She thought the shunning was permanent. She eventually became a Christian and was shunned permanently then though.

I have always wanted to talk to someone disfellowshipped (or divorced) for "extreme spiritual endangerment". Seems like that would cover just about anything you wanted it to.